If Goons came up with it, it can't be good, IMO

So from a "little guy" in support of the idea:

1) I love the idea of more NPC null. We're a little band of merry BLOPSers but hey its a living. As someone who does the logistics for these fleets and has a very good network of cyno alts staged around, its a giant PITA to get to some places in null. Yes I CAN get to Tenal and the upper left hand corner of Deklein on dotlan.... that doesn't make it practical. A little NPC space fixes this.

2) If all this accomplishes is that N3/PL/CFC can't rent the SW corner of the map in a practical fashion, we've made room for another big block at least. Thats progress and buys CCP some time to fix stuff to get MORE players in the game. Then we can look at making them some more room.

3) We don't know the mechanics of the force projection nerf or the mechanics of the sov system. The nerf to force projection may make it impractical to move your slowcat/boot fleet too far from home. Those sudden sov drops can suck after all...

Maybe the blog person can explain how us supporting the tech nerf was self serving, considering we had an agreement on that due to the big coalitions owning all of it.

calling out bullshit isn't tears you ******

I dunno, you were the one linking the post that claims all of our actions are self-serving

yes, I tend to get angry when confronted with stupid people

but do feel free to explain, at any point, how advocating for a tech nerf was one of those self-serving actions of ours, I'm genuinely interested

everything that was to be said about the original subject must already have been said, because all that's come up in the last couple of pages have been conspiracy theories about how this proposal is GSF trying to... uh make it less mandatory for us to hold as much space as we currently do, and that is somehow bad for the game

but by all means, continue advocating for the status quo, I'm sure nobody is discontent with two large powerblocs holding basically all of nullsec short of a couple of rounding errors

So you have absolutely nothing to say about any of the content I actually posted. Your only rebuttal is I'm a goon alt. Is there some kind of little achievement trophy in EVE for getting called that?

I'm going to put this in a way I know you understand it.
You are making SpaceMonkey's Alliance look very intelligent today.

Lol. In other words "I have no idea how to answer that, so I'm going to dodge the question by acting like a moron". Good job kiddo.

No, what I see is a moron whining on about how goons are always self serving, followed by a goon pointing out a time when they clearly weren't asking how that fits the morons narrative, then the moron whining on about how that's not the subject. So basically you have nothing valid to say.

But I know, this is tears and I'm so mad and all that jazz, right? More diversionary bullshit.

Just putting this note here to let you know I'm cleaning up some mess.

Oh do give it a rest. It's CCP's game and everyone who plays it has an interest in it, not just "leaders" (much arrogance?) and "content creators" (double-speak given that they have an agreement not to create any content any more).

What's surprising about a group of players that all have treaties signed with one another continuing to look out for their common interest of maintaining the status quo and making it more secure?

who the **** are "goon"

did you know that 'goon' is a singular term and not a plural or collective term

no, apparently not

No disrespect but Gevlon is a bumbling idiot every idea/post he has is just an extension of the mad mans imagination.

I like the changes, not sure about NPC Nullsec being in place everywhere, they would just allow power projection with the major coalitions who will simply select certain ones as lilly pad Cyno zones.

Also the occupation idea is great everyone wins Blocs get nerfed in size renters can still rent but dont need multiple systems and new forces can try and take some space , assuming they don't get blobbed out which will probably happen but lifes not meant to be easy right? BUT i would not like a one system to become Uber amazing in its farming ability just because there a gazillion people working the farms, that would not be good for nullsec.

Also can we have player built stargate Turrets that would be so cool

We are literally asking CCP to nerf our empires and our capabilities to wage war and you think we want to be safe...

70% of the CFC losses come from non-sov holders, so owning sov isn't a pre-requisite of fighting. My question is, can you point at an organization that isn't killing CFC now and with this suggestion will start killing CFC? Where are they?

*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

The point of fixing sovereignty is not conformity for your Grr Goons narrative, nobody is going to hand you out a magic bullet or do your work for you, especially not CCP. You should not expect CCP to change the game according to what you want, just because you personally cannot reach that point in game. Why should CCP personally bail you out?

'Little guys' do not hate it, they are behind this initiative. 90% of null, not just sov empires, have found a common ground, and came up with this. Anyone else objecting are hard to take seriously because of the tinfoil on their heads and their hilarious inability to represent a viable alternative suggestion.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Because the situation that allows such massive fleets to reign supreme will remain, unless they nerf logi to stop the zero sum fleet fight equation.

Right now, if a smaller fleet goes up against a larger one and cannot break their reps (which is rather likely), the smaller fleet simply should not engage at all.

If they nerf logi so that people actually have a chance to do lasting damage, then smaller forces gain a relevancy that is greater than zero. And not just in sov, but at every level of combat. "Go down fighting" would actually mean something besides just whelping to no effect.

No, we think you want to be safe because you are literally asking CCP to nerf your empires and your capabilities to wage war.

Treaties weren't enough because mistakes were made and suddenly B-R. You want to nerf yourself physically unable to harm each other, so your status will forever be stabilized. You want to be away from each other and want to feed your pilots with the kills of terribads so they never provoke the other empire.

Yes

The fact that they are calling for mechanics that make it impossible to take and hold half of null sec and make it easier for smaller entities to enter null to harass us.

Feel free to post a subcap counter to our boot fleet.

You do realise that we are not blue with half of nullsec right?

You know, this thread might not get any CCP response in it but at least they can see the poor arguments people are trying to use to keep the status quo.

There are like 50comments in this topic saying how you can abuse it...cant you just stop saying this now? :D

There are 50 comments by people making the same mistakes and assumptions over and over along with a smattering of grr goon. The only reason most of you are against it is simply because we are supporting it.

No...? Only like 12 regions? :D while in another half you can't even use caps because of that deal with PL to keep your supers/caps safe? Just to be sure...

Who put in the mechanics to hold hundreds of empty systems forever?

Who put in the mechanics that makes our fleets unkillable?

Who put in the mechanics that force us to need huge areas of space to support our members?

They did not break anything. It was already broken because CCP did not do a good job.

Using mechanics as they exist is not "breaking" anything.

Nobody is blue with everyone. We are currently not blue with half of null, all of low sec and all of high sec.

Interceptors got another balance pass to balance them. So guess that made us right doesn't it?


Now, lets have some answers to those three questions I asked of you. Who is responsible for those mechanics?

You know what.

You are right .
PL should attack NC , NC should attack BOT, BOT should attack CFC, CFC should attack HERO, and Hero hit NA , and NA should attack S2N.

But ....
PL will not attack NC as they have a deal.
NC will not attack BOT , as there is a deal
BOT will not attack CFC, as there is a deal
CFC will not attack HERO, as there is a deal
HERO will not attack NA , as there is a deal
NA will not attack S2N, as they are renters.... and there is a deal.

I don't like goons, or blooobs, but why every one see only that Goons are the issue.

Why N3 will not attack PL .... becasue they have deal
Why PL don't camp NA ... as there is a deal

Every one is guilty.
If someone is able to change something in current situation is not CFC , but NC and PL.

PL can make deal with CFC invalid , just strike some CFC space using supers.
NC can make their deal with PL not valid by attacking PL space .... or they might hit CFC space ( something they are saying from ages).

Many smaller groups will join.
This could be the final war for this game.
Big blocks will fall apart during this war, or we get one group that will control whole nullsec - so in this case it will be end of eve .

As I said, the doughnut.


Sure, don't touch any of it for another couple of years, the cancer might just die out.

Oh wait... the doughnut wants content, but it wants to be forced into content... Oh well - let's change the mechanics then, why shan't we? \o/

WRONG! Subs have nothing to do with nullsec. I made some charts and proved that nullsec activity (jumps, NPC kills, ship kills) is stable and irresponsive to concurrent login changes. On the other hand highsec activity has strong correlation with logins.

So nullsec is fine, highsec players are quiting.